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Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1539
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:38 am: |
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ok so i have an atomic 3000d to work with (i think it does 3k rms @ 1ohm @ 13.8 volts) Im looking for pretty much spl but i dont want it to sound bad. maybe 80/20
I had a pair of sx's on 2k and was not happy with the output. it was loud but just not enough, i want insane!
so my question is, is there a single 18 i could run sealed that will get louder than on 3k than my pair of sx's ported on 2k.
also is there a single 15 i could run ported or possibly a pair sealed that will get louder than the sx's on 2k?
or should i just get new sx's and give then 1500 each.
i can do about 7.3 sealed before driver displacement. maybe 6 ported.
i already have 2 boxes made for a pair of 12's ones is ~5cubes net @ 32hz, and the other is ~4cubes net @ 34hz, i would like to use either one of these but dont mind having to build another one if i need to. I like the way the sx's sound more in the smaller box FYI and i do not want to sacrifice any low end that the sx's played so well. |
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Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1540
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:48 am: |
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also considering a pair of audiopulse revo 12s if i can find them. |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1441
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:04 am: |
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i would do 2 12s in a bigger ported box maybe
maybe some loaded BL 12s |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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Post Number: 2072
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:39 am: |
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Hmm... maybe 2 15" ED SPv.2's? They only need ~3cf to work in (ED recommends 2.5-3.5cf).
http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=363
*EDIT- Forget these, you need a 1 ohm load, these are only Dual 2. |
Platinum Member Username: Rovin
1 15 = 149.5 DBs
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Post Number: 14357
Registered: Jul-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:45 am: |
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how about 2 12s DC level 4 ...
alot of ppl where im from r using that amp on dd9512\15 so im sure a 9518 will take it ... |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1541
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:45 am: |
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yea i wanted to do a bigger box but theres not enough air spring in the 5 cube box for my sx's and the woofers would bottom out even above the tuning.
Ive heard that the bl's wont be a s loud as the sx. cuz that was my origional choice.
no one thinks that 2 15's sealed on 3 k will get louder than my 2 sx 12 ported on 2k? |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1442
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:51 am: |
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why dont you do 2 12s ported on 3K?
12s ported on 3K will be louder than 15s sealed on 3K |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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Post Number: 2074
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 10:51 am: |
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What about some IA DP's? |
Silver Member Username: Kingandsons07
TEAM REVOLUTION
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Post Number: 275
Registered: Aug-08
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:03 am: |
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BTL, 9500, Alpha's, HW, MT |
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Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1542
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:08 am: |
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do i have enough power and room for 2 DP 12's? ive heard there very hungry and like big boxes. magnet looks like the one from the nightshade, MASSIVE. |
Platinum Member Username: Nyyfan13
Yanks Fan
USA
Post Number: 10642
Registered: Jul-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:16 am: |
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2 DPs would be good off 3k. They are rated at 1500rms last time I checked so it should be a great match. Just cause they can handle more power doesn't mean you have to give them more power. Pretty hefty price tag on them. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22728
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:19 am: |
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you want loud? get a btl or a dd9512. its loud.
the question still remains. are you man enough for a btl or a dd9512? |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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Post Number: 2075
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 11:23 am: |
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Yes Yanks they are pretty pricey. I don't know much about them, but have heard that they get low and loud. Just something to look into.
What about an 18" Treo SSX? I think they only need 5-6cf ported? |
Gold Member Username: Loc_out
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Post Number: 2653
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:25 pm: |
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Do you have the electrical upgrades to run 3k? |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22735
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:27 pm: |
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lol gus. you and your electrical upgrades.
i am sure he does otherwise he wouldn't be looking for such a high power system. |
Gold Member Username: Loc_out
Team RE XXX
Post Number: 2657
Registered: Feb-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:33 pm: |
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If he does why not give the SX 3K? |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1543
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:33 pm: |
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chad i doubt a single btl or 9500 12 will be louder than my pair of sx's maybe an 18 but not a 12. but any ways i think i have it narrowed down
Ported allignments:
pair of 12" alphas
pair of 12" night shades
a single 18" btl
a pair of 05 xxx12's
a single 18 xxx any year
a pair of ia dp 12's
18" ssx
dd 9518
pair mtx 9500 12's
single mtx 9518
Sealed allignments:
pair of 15" q's
pair of 15" bl's
pair of 15" somthing else that will be loud.
a pair of 15's is the most cone area i can fit i think. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22740
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:37 pm: |
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just get 2 then and run 5000wrms. that will blow your brains out. man i missed the days when i had 2 btl 15s in my car. |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1544
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:38 pm: |
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low life, i got the electrical on the way not installed yet but i got 2 stinger sp70s and my stock battery and a 200 amp alt. the 200 amp alt big 3 and stock battery are installed now and i will only run the amp off this for temporary at low gain untill the batts get installed.
i considered giving the sx's 3k but i am already nearly bottoming out the coils with 2k above the tuning. my subsonic is set @ ~30 hz and my box is tuned to 34 hz. but there bottoming out above tuning anyways tho. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22742
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:42 pm: |
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i used to have a re sx 18 on a orion 2500d. since the sub was dual 1ohm, it was seeing 1750wrms from the orion amp at 2ohms. it was too much power for it. so mark is doing the right thing imo by looking for subs that can handle more power. |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1545
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:43 pm: |
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chad i dont have 5k rms or the electrical to support it. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22743
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:44 pm: |
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you can do it. come on mark. a pair of orion 2500d and a couple of extra batteries and you'll be loud.
what size alt is it that is on its way? |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1547
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:59 pm: |
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chad i already have the alt its only 200 amp tho and i think its overrated maybe really does 160-180 amp's, its the largest available for my vehicle w/o going into the $600 range.
My current electrical was just enough juice to power 2k watts, barely. im deff going to need at least the 2 batterys in the trunk to keep my voltage up w/ 3k now.
Plus chad price is an object for me, i am a college student. i cant just go buy 2 amps and 2 subs without selling my stuff or trading it first. anyways wouldnt an 18" btl get louder than a pair of 12's , more cone ares. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22748
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:03 pm: |
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what car do you have? the 18s can get louder due to cone area but usually sound like crap unless you have good size cabin in your car. so pretty much sedans are out of the question for running a 18. |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1548
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:20 pm: |
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i have a chrysler 300m (dodge intrepid) huge cabin inside. is bigger better or worse? im guessing worse since you said sadans wont work. |
Diamond Member Username: Bestmankind
Post Number: 22752
Registered: Oct-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 01:28 pm: |
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don't get me wrong mark. the 18 will be loud. but imo over all sound of bass isn't good when you have a 18 in the trunk. its just too big of a sub to be restricted to a trunk space. |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1550
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 02:46 pm: |
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are you saying that the box would just take up too much trunk space not leafing much for the sub or the sub itself just needs more air because its an 18.
but either way i usually drive with my seats folded down because its not loud enough other wise. plus i think i might port my decklid over xmas break cuz im ditching rear stage ,i think ill just run some 6" aero ports through the decklid where the 6x9's used to be
but i still want other opinions. and sorry chad but i dont really want to upgrade in power anymore. 3200 watts is something like 4 horsepower lol and is gonna have to work. |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 03:00 pm: |
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This makes it probably even harder to decide, as you have enough subs to filter through, but what about an AP Axis 15"? I think they only made them in Dual 2/Quad 1 ohm coils, so 1 would work. Did Jake Papa ever sell his?
Here's the link...http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=357441 |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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Post Number: 2077
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 03:09 pm: |
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Or..I found these on ebay...MIGHT require a different amp tho... they are single 4 ohm...
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tc-sounds-audio-pulse-lms-12-subwoofer-re-dd-jl-new_W0QQitem Z110309413829QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Subwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item110309413829& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.com/Tc-sounds-audio-pulse-lms-12-subwoofer-re-dd-jl-new_W0QQitem Z110309413956QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCar_Subwoofers_Enclosures?hash=item110309413956& _trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1234|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318 |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1551
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 05:51 pm: |
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yea donnie i though about that actually but didnt think i would get loud enough with a single 15. and i dont have the power for 2 12" axis's but i was really hoping i could find a pair of revo 12's for cheap but i doubt i will.
still cant decide waht i want at all really. i would really like to try a twin 15" sealed system but so far on one thinks it will get louder than 12's ported.
i dont under why not though. i thought porting only added 3 db but doubling cone area adds 6 db so it should roughly be louder by about 1 db without power changes? |
Gold Member Username: Frkkevin
Team DLS
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Post Number: 5893
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 05:55 pm: |
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add two more 12"s or port two 15s :P |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1553
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 06:12 pm: |
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wow |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1555
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 07:02 pm: |
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how about a pair of Phoenix Gold Ti12d Elite's? anyone use them? |
Silver Member Username: Ridinspinnas
Windsor,
Ontario
Canada
Post Number: 494
Registered: May-06
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 08:47 pm: |
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go with the pair of orions lol i just got a 2500d and i am very impressed, it was benched at 3024 wrms at.035 i believe, just had it hooked up to my 1 12" Fosgate Power HX2 and blew the sh!t outta it |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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Post Number: 2079
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 09:41 pm: |
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Chris- You already blew the HX2???!!!
Mark- Good luck finding 2 of those PG's, I mean it's not impossibly, but it's not that easy lol. Doubling cone area will only add 3db. Doubling cone area and power will add 6db (in theory). I think 1 15" Axis would be louder down low than the the SX's, but I have never heard an Axis in person.
Your just looking for something to get loud down low correct? Not on a mic or to compete, correct? |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1556
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 12:25 am: |
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donnie you are correct i dont give a sh1t about mic scores im all about the ears. |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1558
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 01:03 pm: |
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ok so i think ive got it slightly narrowed down
18" ssx
18" xxx
dd 9518
18" btl (loaded probably)
or a pair of
alpha 12's
05 xxx 12's
night shade 12's
ia dp 12s
mtx9512's
Loaded bl 12's (probably what im going to get)
can anyone just go ahead and say that one of these is going to be not gonna be loud comparably. i need some help here.
anyone know of loud 15's that will run in 2.5 cubes ported? i think thats going to be my best bet is trying to squeeze a pair of 15's ported in there besides tc's. |
Gold Member Username: Jkidder
Worlds gunna end,
In
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Post Number: 3851
Registered: Nov-05
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| Posted on Thursday, November 13, 2008 - 08:38 pm: |
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dd 9518 then pair of 05 xx 12s then 18 xxx
in that order |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1561
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 12:55 am: |
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anyone else think thanks good? cisco did you take into account my amp? |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1453
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 10:26 am: |
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im sure he did
you can get all of those subs in the correct VC config for your amp |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1562
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 11:50 am: |
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yea that is true. i was just wo dering cuz i barely have enought for 2 04/05 12' xxx's |
Bronze Member Username: Lil_justin850
Justin smith, crestview,
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 12:12 pm: |
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2 aphlas imo |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1456
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 12:33 pm: |
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hey mark - i know you were looking at the treo 18 ssx
i have a 15 inch ssx that i can do for a pretty good deal - only problem is it has dual 1 vcs
$240 shipped
that being said - i still think that 2 12s is your best option |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1565
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 12:48 pm: |
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wow yea that is a great price! unfortunately it wont work for my application. i still may get that 18" ssx tho. |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1458
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 01:04 pm: |
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what batts do you have? |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1566
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 03:48 pm: |
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none yet. i am totally aware that i need some though. what would you reccomend. i would like a single battery if possible or 2 of the samllest ones i can get that will still work well. |
Gold Member Username: Bonhamd
Post Number: 1460
Registered: Nov-07
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| Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008 - 04:21 pm: |
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kinetic
powermaster
oddysee
optima
the vets can recommend some brands and sizes for your application |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1568
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 12:38 am: |
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Alright well ive decided that im going to go with a aingle 18 as it will cost me the least and has the highest potential for spl. so now i need to pick which 18 to buy.
btl (what options should i get)
ssx
xxx
lvl 5
dd 9500
others?
posting an official budget of $400 |
Gold Member Username: Hittin1
Lake Charles,
La.
United States
Post Number: 1609
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 12:50 am: |
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lvl 5 18" wayyyy outta your budget as well as most the other in that lil list... A couple you might be able to find used.. REAL USED! I p/u 2 alpha 18's v.2 for under 500. Just have to be in the right place at the right time! I wish you the best of luck... I love my 18's. |
Gold Member Username: Hittin1
Lake Charles,
La.
United States
Post Number: 1610
Registered: May-07
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| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 12:52 am: |
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you cant go wrong with 2 0/4- 0/5 XXX's... They are NO BULLSH!T!! |
Gold Member Username: Mendonmafia
USA
Post Number: 1569
Registered: Aug-06
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| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 01:00 am: |
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woah mark im looking for only one 18 not a pair.
but yea i really want a pair of 04/05 xxx 12's but i cant find them anywhere and i dont think ill get them for under $500 shipped. so im considering a new 18 since it is more available. |
Gold Member Username: Somedonniedude
Illinois
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| Posted on Monday, November 17, 2008 - 11:00 am: |
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http://www.caraudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=359430 |
